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    "Controversial Fight #1": Ronald Wright vs Fernando Vargas



    After being here a few days I thought it was time I made some sort of substantial boxing post...naturally I have done quite the opposite and ripped out an old thread from ESB General I made. I do this because I know a number of you who live in the Brit forum and Lounge wouldn't have seen this. So hopefully we can get a good discussion going over one of the more under-the-radar great fights of recent times. Ronald Wright - Fernando Vargas.

    I'll try and add a few more fights, personal scorecards etc of the more controversial fights of times gone when I myself have that greatest of resources (after Brent crude); time. However while my life is ruled by 12 hour working days it may get off to a slow start.

    Anyway, le commence.

    Round 1: Vargas 10-9 Wright
    Round 2: Vargas 9-10 Wright
    Round 3: Vargas 10-9 Wright
    Round 4: Vargas 10-9 Wright
    Round 5: Vargas 9-10 Wright
    Round 6: Vargas 9-10 Wright
    Round 7: Vargas 10-9 Wright
    Round 8: Vargas 9-10 Wright
    Round 9: Vargas 9-10 Wright
    Round 10: Vargas 10-9 Wright
    Round 11: Vargas 10-10 Wright
    Round 12: Vargas 10-9 Wright

    Final Score: Vargas 115-114 Wright

    First off, everytime I watch this fight I'm wowed. This most be the third time I've watched this fight and I'm bowled over by the performances of both men and the sheer amount of action in this fight. First some background and what would happen after to put this fight into some perspective. Vargas was coming off big wins over Marquez and Campas, stopping both in the process and would go onto fight Quartey in his next fight. Wright on the other hand had just fought Derrick Graham following his "controversial" loss to Harry Simon and would go onto fight Bronco McKart after this fight.

    Anyway as I stated I was bowled over by both mens performance, Vargas was the younger fighter by some distance and Wright had the much longer professional fight career. Vargas hadn't fought anyone of the same calibre who shared Wright's style. Wright fought what was a very aggressive fight, bringing the action to Vargas behind a typically Winkyish high guard and would use his strength once on the inside to stop Vargas backing him up. This would help to dictate the direction of the fight past round 5, as Vargas started to move much more and struggled once he found himself on the outside. That being said, when the action was taking place inside, I felt Vargas to be getting the better of the action, operating being a very accurate and powerful right hand that was breaking Winky's guard right down the middle. He had great success I thought with the right uppercut to the body and upstairs. He didn't have the success to the body that I think he thought he would, with his hooks to the body slapping against Winky's elbows giving Winky the chance to counter upstairs. None the less, Vargas started to get inside less and less between rounds 5 and 9.

    Between these rounds I felt Ronald picked up the vast majority of theme, putting together beautiful combinations, flicking with the right hook and landing a very accurate left hand as he did so. His jab did the job of keeping Fernando on the outside for the majority of time during these rounds, but failed to really land in quantity with Vargas's parrying skills and occasional head movement proving effective. Vargas was only able to make it inside occasionally during this period and wasn't effective enough to take the majority of rounds from Wright who was content to move out of the pocket or stay inside and match Vargas punch for punch once there, out-hustling at times (round 9 stuck in particular).

    Coming into Round 10 whatever lead Vargas's team felt he had picked up early on had dissipated and they commanded Vargas to start throwing more and to be more reckless. He had no reason to be reckless as Winky couldn't match Vargas's activity in 10 and 12, despite a nice round 11 where he unsuccessfully tried to regain his mid round momentum. Vargas wasn't as accurate in these rounds as he had been early on but he was throwing so many punches compared to the relatively inactive Wright in 10 and 12 that he would have to have dropped dead to lose them in my opinion. These three rounds really showed Vargas to be deserving of the moniker "Ferocious" as he did enough to seal the win on my card.

    I was genuinely pleased with both men's performance, I thought Vargas showed his ability, working behind very accurate power punching on the inside and doing some decent work at mid-range against Winky in the earlier rounds. He showed top-notch stamina and conditioning (as did Winky) considering the bodyshots he took from Wright early on. As for Winky, a man who is lauded for his jab and watertight defence, I was more impressed with his arsenal of combination punching and an impressively accurate right hook and straight left. Their styles gelled incredibly well to give what was a back and forth burner sort of fight. Naturally I will have given spoilers in my dissertation of the fight, but its quite unexpected how Vargas tips the fight in his favour enough in the last few rounds to take the fight, considering the way in which Winky had done enough to take the majority of the middle rounds.

    Winky looked very upset with the scores and I kind of have to agree with him, I felt that Debra Barnes (116-112) was way to wide, there was no way I could have given Vargas the benefit of the doubt in any more rounds to reach a score like that. I don't Ledermann was quite on top of it with his scorecard that favoured Winky by 2 points either. It was certainly a very close fight although I felt confident enough to split them on every round except 11.

    A very action packed fight and I don't think we see any 22 year olds today fight with the same quality in the game today that Vargas did that night. I think that night would do a number on anybody at 154 today, including Sergio.

    Thoughts?

    (tl;dr, I had Vargas winning by a sole point).
    Last edited by LancsTerrible; 12-06-12 at 12:20 AM.

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    I've never watched this fight, which is unusual since I'm an admirer of Winky and Vargas was rarely in a dull fight. Is it on You Tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dftaylor View Post
    I've never watched this fight, which is unusual since I'm an admirer of Winky and Vargas was rarely in a dull fight. Is it on You Tube?
    It actually still is. A much recommended tussle.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/LikeABreath

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    Shame Vargas was a drug cheat, and that he got ruined by Tito.

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    going to watch now and give you a round by round, this is a great thread
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    OK, watched the fight. I had Winky ahead by two rounds at the end. The scoring was largely done on what is my bugbear, rewarding punches that hit gloves or miss. Most of Fernando's head shots were blocked and Winky was controlling the pace, the distance and using that right-stick to touch Vargas. But the Mexican was hitting with serious authority, particularly to the body.

    Great fight, one of Winky's most entertaining. It's not a robbery, just a very close fight, but one I felt Ronald took.

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    Just scored it.

    1- Winky
    2- Winky
    3- Vargas
    4- Vargas
    5- Winky
    6- Winky
    7- Winky
    8- Winky
    9- Winky
    10Vargas
    11Wright
    12Vargas

    116-112 Winky

    Very close fight and a lot of the rounds were difficult to score, some of the rounds I gave to Winky were close but then again so were some of the rounds I gave to Vargas, this fight was really good, and hard to score, credit to both.
    Bees up Fulham down

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    Quote Originally Posted by dftaylor View Post
    OK, watched the fight. I had Winky ahead by two rounds at the end. The scoring was largely done on what is my bugbear, rewarding punches that hit gloves or miss. Most of Fernando's head shots were blocked and Winky was controlling the pace, the distance and using that right-stick to touch Vargas. But the Mexican was hitting with serious authority, particularly to the body.

    Great fight, one of Winky's most entertaining. It's not a robbery, just a very close fight, but one I felt Ronald took.
    on your last line, that's how i feel
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    I had it 115-113 for Winky, close fight, decision wasnt great but its not exactly a robbery. Winky with more activity and Vargas with more power in his punches. Winky was pretty dominant till Vargas pulled out that late round rally and took the last two or three rounds in a row.

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    I've heard about the controversy surrounding this fight, I will give it a watch after work.

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    Had it 114-114 last time, will try and get round to re-scoring and giving you my rounds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester1583 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teeto View Post
    Just scored it.

    1- Winky
    2- Winky
    3- Vargas
    4- Vargas
    5- Winky
    6- Winky
    7- Winky
    8- Winky
    9- Winky
    10Vargas
    11Wright
    12Vargas

    116-112 Winky

    Very close fight and a lot of the rounds were difficult to score, some of the rounds I gave to Winky were close but then again so were some of the rounds I gave to Vargas, this fight was really good, and hard to score, credit to both.
    it's like you read my mind.

    Winky is such a fantastic operator at this level, he was just untouchable for a while. From here right up until the "draw" with Taylor he was one of the very best fighters in the world. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lufcrazy View Post
    it's like you read my mind.

    Winky is such a fantastic operator at this level, he was just untouchable for a while. From here right up until the "draw" with Taylor he was one of the very best fighters in the world. Period.
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    One area where I thought that Vargas had success where many other's didn't, was the way in which he approached Winky's guard. I thought he actually managed to effectively batter his way through the guard with the straight right and rear uppercut, and land some meaningful punches. I've always been rather conservative in my approach to what I feel is a meaningful and scoring punch, but on this occasion Vargas caught my attention by how he was able to get something out of his attempts to get Winky upstairs.

    It's such a good fuggin' fight. Entertaining stuff from both men.

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