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  1. Duo

    Duo Throbbing Member

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    His autobiography was not ghostwritten either. He had the combination of upper arm thickness and reflexes to make his cross-armed defense uniquely effective. (Being a monstrous puncher didn't hurt either. Archie essentially ruined Bobo Olson, previously noted for his durability. When you look at Clay-Moore, you'll notice that young Cassius took no liberties or risks in testing his power.)

    Joe Rein claimed not to assess fighters he never personally saw in action, but he made an absolutely brilliant exception well before most others had seen Burley's filmed bout with Oakland Billy Smith. That footage also reflects much of what the Mongoose described of Charley years and years earlier. He passed on the month after turning 75. Interview footage of him late in life reveals a soft spoken character with full mental faculties. (Burley is seated. It can't be ascertained from that snippet whether or not he is physically impaired with arthritis, sciatica or some other hindrance not related to boxing. He worked in sanitation. Making and keeping civilized life possible can wear a body down significantly. During WW II, he worked in a factory making aircraft. Daily physical labor with heavy wear and tear for pay is not a ticket to a long quality of life.)

    Eder Jofre gets a free pass at 81 for his public boxing exhibitions and other fitness displays. This is ridiculous:



    Vegans who base their dietary practices on idealistic "morality" can shorten their lives and undermine their health and longevity with unhealthy eating habits. (Paavo Airola is the most famous such vegan quack, dying of a stroke at age 64.) Rural Seventh Day Adventists historically seemed to know something about healthy eating habits, and Jofre is among a few athletes who have successfully maintained a high level of performance with that practice. In any event, as an octogenarian, I give him a free pass. I've known too many who succumbed to Alzheimer's who never reached their 80's without ever taking hits to the head. (Women in their 70's today likely did not grow up playing contact sports, or heading soccer balls. Archery and swimming were my mother's sports in college. She didn't know any girls who competed in any sport involving head strikes. Her father's sister was a high school jock during the 1920's, playing basketball, tennis, golf and other sports which had nothing to do with cranial contact as an objective. She was killed in an early 1930's car accident.)

    Jofre is not remotely creaky in his movements like the severely arthritic Frazier on the heavy bag in the last years of his life. Eder circles the bag fluidly, and punches quickly with snap and sharp reflexes. Arthritis is a bitch. Some get it, some don't, and there is some evidence that vegan avoidance of mucus forming foods can deflect the onset and impact of gout and arthritis. (Rice is used to make glue. Being a vegan can cripple you if you're ignorant about it. Jofre is obviously no cripple.)
     
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  2. Tage_West

    Tage_West New Member

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    JIMMY BIVINS 92. bloody hell completely forgot. i knew there was somebody in the murders row that people on esb where looking to meet up with personally, i remember a while back that Bivins had no death date on his boxrec. but people couldnt believe that he could still be alive. that thread was made about 2007 im sure of it. and sadly bivins passed away 5 years after in 2012. amazing really. long life, had a tremulteous later life just to be refound and protected by boxing fans.
     
  3. Phantom

    Phantom Curious member...

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    @Boxfan How are you bud?
    I was watching a vid recently made, of one of my very favorite fighters, the great Jose Mantequilla Napoles, and though at his age of 77, he was answering questions in a slow, rather feeble voice...and from I read, he's experiencing a deterioration of his health, both mentally as well as physically...but could that be due to the natural consequences of old age, as well as a car crash he suffered a few years ago. He is said not to talk very much, and when he does, he reveals a definite decline in his mental facilities...as in talking of a trip he and his wife made recently to Cuba, but his wife says that trip never happened. When prodded about his glory days, as in his great title winning victory over Curtis Cokes, he said "He didn’t know where all the blows were coming from. I spread mantequilla on him and he didn’t see me.”...He maintains pride in that "I don't get into trouble,..I never harm anyone,...and when it's my time, the ring bell will sound"....
    Again, it's hard to tell whether his condition is from punches that he took in his fighting days, or whether it's from the natural decline of old age coupled with the after effects of his car crash ala Ken Norton.
     
  4. Mr. Brain

    Mr. Brain I am a spacker

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    Terry Norris and Wilfred Benitez can't talk properly because of hits taken in the ring. Benitez has a googly-eye now, not sure what that is all about.
     
  5. Boxfan

    Boxfan Well-Known Member

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    Sorry mate. Only just noticed this. Im fine. Hope you OK too. Surprised me a bit this,I thought Naples was long gone. I gather he's still living in Mexico? Shame about the trip to Cuba never happening. However,he could have flown to Cuba in the old days from Mexico,problem being he might not have got back.
    Yes,great boxer. Fighting champion,beat a lot of very good men. But I remember him for 2 losses. One when he lost his title to John Stacey,who wouldn't have beat him at his peak,and when he moved up to fight Monzon,who was TWO divisions above him,not one.
    Beating Cokes tells us how good he was. Cheers Phantom.
     
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  6. Boxfan

    Boxfan Well-Known Member

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    This weekend watched Boxnation with Barry Jones,Gary Lockett,and Enzo Macarinelli on. All sharp,all articulate,and all in good humour. All faced top men,in particular Enzo,while still an active boxer did well on the general knowledge show "The Weakest Link"
     
  7. Erratic

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    Terry Norris is struggling.

    He was known to go all-out in sparring, and I'm sure that played a role in his brain damage (same with James Toney). He didn't take any prolonged beatings in fights, his chin didn't allow it.

    It wasn't a long drawn out beating but he did take a lot of hard shots in the last minute or two against Keith Mullings. It was quite eye-opening how much slower he looked that night as opposed to a couple fights earlier.

    https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/26/5447466/fighting-dirty-behind-boxings-brain-damage-crisis

     
  8. Nightstick

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    Hearns isn't in good shape. In addition to slurring his words (which is not at all the norm for a healthy 58-year-old), he's also having trouble formulating and articulating his thoughts. When he was asked to express his views at a fight a year or two ago, it was so awkward and uncomfortable that they never returned to him.
     
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    Boxfan Well-Known Member

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    Ive just thought of another good one. The great Jim Watt.
     
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  10. DB Cooper

    DB Cooper cigar chewing journeyman

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    Getting hit to the head repeatedly just isn't good for you and the consequences of it doesn't seem to play favourites either.

    Whether fighters have successful records or unsuccessful ones the result of them being repeatedly hit to the head can have equally drastic ramifications.
     
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  11. Nightstick

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    Counterintuitive as it may seem at first glance, the answer is to return to bare-knuckle fighting. Gloves aren't intended to protect the head, but the hands. In barehanded combat, you don't throw punches at the skull because you'll wind up breaking your hands. There'd be a lot more instances of broken noses, yes, but a lot fewer of dementia. That's OK, as noses heal but brains don't.
     

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