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  1. Tigermoth87

    Tigermoth87 New Member

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    But it would be ok for me to lose the rooqs I will make with him as world champ, lose the world champion I paid 500k for, miss out on the tv points etc?

    If I kept the fight and my fighter lost his title on a show that I would be making nothing from that would basically be 500k thrown away since the only reason I signed him was to milk a few title fights out of the guy. Next time make a bid for the fighter yourself if you don't want to risk someone else signing and cancelling. You've obviously got way more money than me given the number of world champs you've got so outbidding my 500k would have been nothing.
     
  2. Tigermoth87

    Tigermoth87 New Member

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    The only thing I'll admit I did wrong was not PMing Butterbean before cancelling. I'll admit I should have done that.
     
  3. TeamButterbean

    TeamButterbean Well-Known Member

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    For the last time, you bought a world champ with a voluntary defence agreed. You did not buy him when you made the offer, you bought him when the offer was accepted. Before he accepted your contract, he accepted the fight with me. So at the point you bought him - which is not when you made the offer - you had that risk attached. This is your fault, not mine, and you shouldn't have been able to absolve yourself from that risk and do me out of an agreed world title shot.

    I've got about 6 million rooqs I think. The money is not the issue. It's the principle, and how you treat other people and the game. In your case, it's not very well.

    That said it's also boring as hell going over it, so if we can all move on, that'd be great.

    Edit - it's about 4 million rooqs - I've spent a load
     
  4. Tigermoth87

    Tigermoth87 New Member

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    For the last time he didn't have a voluntary defence agreed when I bid. How is it fair that I buy a world champ and then have to have a tough title defence I didn't agree too and where I'll get nothing?

    If you've got 6 million rooqs then you could have easily beat my 500k offer then and signed him yourself couldn't you considering you've got about 5 times more in the bank than me.
     
  5. tawetrent

    tawetrent Well-Known Member

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    I thought you conceded earlier that you can't cancel a fight if it was agreed to before the contract offer was made?
     
  6. Elyblueaj

    Elyblueaj Well-Known Member

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    Is Hennessy on here, not letting me accept your offer for the british bantamweight 'Fight cannot be made due to British Bantamweight title obligations.' Is this right @Rooq
     
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    Elyblueaj Well-Known Member

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    Its coz ive agreed to the eliminator
     
  8. Swaviola

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    got a eliminator due for April, when would it go to purse bids?
     
  9. TeamButterbean

    TeamButterbean Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't a concession, it's a fact. Contract offers take a minimum of 5 days to go through. Fight offers can take 1 day.

    The point of contract acceptance is when you take responsibility for the fighter, not the point of the offer. What happens before he becomes your responsibility should be irrelevant.

    I didn't want to buy him. I wanted to arrange a fight with him. Which I did before you bought him. And it got cancelled after you bought him. Which shouldn't be possible, but it was, and you took advantage of that.

    We're moving on.

    Edit: 'you' etc got a bit confused here, it's the sugar rush
     
  10. Deadendgeneration

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    @Rooq is needed to clear this up but my understanding is that @TeamButterbean shouldn't have been able to make a fight offer to a fighter being bid on. @Tigermoth87 should have messaged which he admits himself. All this blaming and name calling is helping nobody. @Rooq has said there was a code issue one way or the other, let's.wait.until we get clarity. Bean, I'm sure we have the fighters between us to arrange a PPV that will cover lost costs and make up the TV rep.
     
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    SimonTemplar Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. And to follow up on that, if anyone thinks that staging a non-title bout between each stable's fighters on a small hall show in Auckland would help then drop me a line!
     
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  12. TeamButterbean

    TeamButterbean Well-Known Member

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    Poor bloke's on holiday...

    (You should be able to make fight offers while fighters are under contract offer in my view - the contract offer isn't a contract until it is accepted, and the best way to avoid it all would have been for Viking not to have cancelled the fight - he knew he shouldn't have done, which is of course why he didn't front up and PM me.)
     
  13. tawetrent

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    It's not an irrelevance and I'm surprised you would say that given you appear quite bright. You put an offer on a fighter on the proviso that when the fighter signs he's still be the same asset that he was when you originally placed the offer. If in between time that fighter gets put into a fight the buying promoter has every right to cancel it.

    If business was conducted in the manner of "you're not guaranteed the same product that you bid for" the world would fall apart overnight.

    The way it currently is and what your advocating actually allows for cheating. Should a marketable fighter leave your promotion what's to stop you either setting up another promotion or getting a friend to get that fighter involved in a fight that they're not ready for thus incurring a loss and fucking up the player who thought he was forking out on an undefeated fighter?


    I'm sorry but you're not right on this issue and accusing tigermoth of cheating was unfounded and totally uncalled for. Hopefully Rooq can work something out to prevent this from being an issue but cancelling a fight you didn't agree to isn't cheating.
     
  14. Tigermoth87

    Tigermoth87 New Member

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    Well no, even if I pm'd you first the fight was going to be cancelled anyway because it was a fight I didn't agree too for a fighter I'd payed 500k for. I'm not risking my investment in a show where I'm not getting any money and where he stands a fair chance of losing his world title.

    Reason I didn't PM was because I was in a rush to get shows sorted, not because I "knew I shouldn't have done it". In hindsight I should have sent a PM and arranged the fight for a later date but other than not sending a PM first to give a heads up I did nothing wrong.
     
  15. TeamButterbean

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    I don't know who you are, but you're wrong. About this and about business in the real world, which I suspect you know nothing about. It isn't his fight to agree to or not agree to until the point the fighter is his. The fighter was not his until after my fight was made. When the fighter was his my agreement should still stand because he was not party to that agreement.

    You're wrong on a number of other points too, which all in all suggests you should keep out of it.
     
  16. TeamButterbean

    TeamButterbean Well-Known Member

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    It was not yours to agree to or not agree to. It was made before you were involved. My God.

    Maybe I shouldn't have been able to make the fight (I think I should have been able to), but I made the fight in good faith.
    Certainly you shouldn't have been able to cancel the fight, and you cancelled it in bad faith.

    There's the rub. Can we drop it now?
     
  17. Tigermoth87

    Tigermoth87 New Member

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    Well it was mine to agree too because he's my fighter. If I want to cancel his fights or leave them is up to me.

    I've agreed to drop it but you keep bringing it up and insulting me. Anyway, this is my last post on the matter. You can keep complaining about it and insulting me all you like. I'm not going to bother replying.

    Go nuts.
     
  18. tawetrent

    tawetrent Well-Known Member

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    Yeah @TeamButterbean you're simply wrong on this issue but there is no point in prolonging this discussion if you're incapable of looking outside your own reality. Tigermoth did nothing wrong and you should apologise for calling him a cheat if you've got anything about you.
     
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    Come home @Rooq, look what we have descended to without you.
     
  20. Tarman

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    I must say my level 4 Bangkok gym is doing a great job of bringing through the next generation of Thai jouneymen :sad5

    Has anyone who's invested in better quality gyms seen any decent ams come through yet?
     

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