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I miss when people actually discussed scoring in this thread...
So how about those Figueroa/Belmontes score cards eh?
I had it 116-112 from ringside.
after the fight Belmontes was sitting 6 seats away from me. everyone including myself came over to him and told him he won. Figueroa came and sat near as well than got moved to the ringside seats for the Thurman fight.
I looked through this thread and can't find any of your questions that went unanswered. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
A fair score, by the way. I had the same score watching it on TV. 118-110 for Figueroa is hilarious (in a really bad way).
yeh absolute joke.
I think it was the question about whether or not there is an order the the 4 aspects of scoring.
Hey, I didn´t even see this thread before, good thread man.
I just wanna say that I read and heard before, from professional judges, that the 4 criteria system is obsolete, is not used anymore by judges in scoring for a while now. Clean punching is above anything and they score based on who did more damage. Basically who landed the best, more signifcant punches..
Harold talks about this. Go to 1:11.
Great find, that one. Thanks!
All I could ever find officially was what I linked in post #1 . If you find any official judges' rule book or another official source that says the same, I will edit the post.
I will try to find something later, man...
Provodnikov vs. Algieri had some interesting scoring. It was a polarizing fight to score because you had two wildly different styles and the fighters were scoring in two very different ways. Provodnikov was without a doubt doing the damage in the fight. Applying relentless pressure and landing harder punches that seemed to take more effect. Algieri, on the other hand used a lot of ring generalship and boxed off the jab very well. He would sneak in left uppercuts from the outside and move. He made Provodnikov miss a lot. In the end I can't blame Max Deluca, Dan Rafael, Steve Weisfeld, etc... for scoring the fight for Provodnikov because I see where they are coming from. But after looking at the punch stats (Algieri outlanded Provodnikov in every round except the 1st, and outlanded him in every category over the course of the fight), you have to take your hat off *to the judges who scored it for Algieri.
The scoring of Provodnikov vs. Algieri kinda shows you that some judges prescribe to what Lederman says in that video, and a lot of judges don't. Yeah?
I still couldn´t watch the fight, brother.
Can´t comment then, but it´s not suprising, they should be more clear about what is the right way to judge, it is just too subjetive this way, any judge can have his own criteria and that´s it...
Many have come to this same conclusion. Unfortunately, that requires either greater collaboration between state commissions, or just one commission across the board. For Provo/Algieri, the only guy who scored the fight for Ruslan was Max DeLuca, a California judge. Compared to the 2 who scored it for Algieri, from New York. On the surface that seems like a bias for the hometown fighter, but in reality it is probably just a difference of preference in the judges and difference of training from one commission to another.
Neither Canelo nor Lara is American but they had to put the American anthem somewhere in there
Why did my post end up in this thread?
Anyway what happens if one judge has fighter A winning, another judge fighter B and the third judge has it a draw? I assume it would be some kind of draw, right? But it wouldn't be an unanimous draw, nor a split draw what would it be called?
Yep. A three-way split...
It's called a Split Draw. It happens.
[MENTION=1702]Juiceboxbiotch[/MENTION] does one of the criteria have priority the others?
I haven't been able to find anything official on that one Rob. It's a great question. The way I score fights, effective punching is always above the rest... but that's just me, an untrained, amateur couch judge. If you are able to find anything that explicitly states anything about one criteria being more important than the others, post it up brother. I will add it to the original post.