1. Juiceboxbiotch

    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    I put together a brief overview and FAQ on Scoring, which sometimes can be confusing for newer fans of the sport. I hope it helps increase understanding and the quality of discussion at CHB on the topic. :good

    If you are the TL;DR type, jump to the bottom of the post and reference the FAQ.

    For a more detailed understanding, you may reference the Association of Boxing Commission's Judges Certification Handbook located Here:
    http://www.abcboxing.com/documents/abcboxing_officials_certification_program.htm
    There is a lot of great info there.

    Here are a few questions I've seen come up:

    Q:
    A: Yes. If a referee makes a call on a knockdown, the judge has to honor it on his/her scorecard. The same goes with point deductions for fouls called by the referee.

    A: No. Fighter B would need to completely dominate the rest of the round to earn 9 points rather than 8. Not just "win the rest of the round."

    Q:
    A: Yes. Although rarely used by professional judges, awarding 10 points to both fighters in an evenly contested round is perfectly legal and acceptable under the rules.

    Q:
    A: If each boxer was knocked down once in the same round, the knockdowns are disregarded and the winner of the round receives 10 points, while the loser receives 9 points.

    Q:
    A: 10-8 in favor of Fighter B. In terms of scoring, knockdowns cancel each other out. When Fighter A scored one knockdown, the score for this round went from 10-7 to 10-8.

    Q:
    A: 9-9. An exception is only applied to the "10-point must" part of the system when the referee calls time and docks a point from a fighter for committing a foul (repeated low blows, intentional head butts, etc...).


    This probably only covers a fraction of the rules of Boxing scoring. If you want to really get into the details, you can check out the link at the top of this post. Or just discuss it here!

    Thanks to Booradly for RTD

    Thanks to Havik for answering "Does a judge have to honor ref's calls?"

    :hat
     
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    Thanks for that mate.

    I got a question. What happends in a round where niether fighter shows any of the 4 scoring criteria. I thinking of rounds in the Bellew v Chilemba & Froch v Dirrell fights. The agression from Froch/Bellew is not effective and there not landing clean punches, but Chilemba/Dirrell are on there bike, there not showing defensive skill there just running, and neither man is displaying ring generalship.

    Can you score a round against a fighter for showing a lack of any of the 4?
     
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    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    You're welcome! :good

    Without actually looking at those rounds, they sound like 10-10 rounds to me, however, some judges may disagree that Dirrel/Chilemba aren't showing some ring generalship and defense by using their legs and the ring to stay out of range. Defense IS a scoring criteria, don't forget.
     
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    Rob @fanboxingrankings

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    There is a difference between running and just staying out of range and defence.

    But can you score seven 10-10 rounds in a fight?
     
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    :good cheers, but ive always wondered are judges bound to honour referee's calls on knockdowns? what if it was clearly a slip and everyone but the ref saw that, but he called a knockdown, do judges have to score that? im not saying they shouldnt as it would set a crazy precedent but always wondered
     
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    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    That is a great question. I have searched everywhere I could think of for an official definitive answer to this and I haven't been able to come up with anything. Furthermore, I remember Harold Lederman saying during an HBO broadcast that judges ARE required to honor the ref's call, even if the call appears erroneous. On the other hand, there was a recent Showtime broadcast where Al Bernstein stated flatly that Judges ARE NOT required to honor the ref's call and can score at their own discretion regarding apparently erroneous knockdowns. So what I'll do is throw this particular question back out to you or anyone else who might be able to find something official on the matter. If anyone has special insight on this or is able to find specific examples backing up one side or the other, your contribution to this thread would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    GazOC CHB Moderator

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    My understanding has always been that judges ARE supposed to score KDs that the ref gives even if they feel it was a slip.
     
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    :good cheers mate, i guess if there's no official ruling then maybe they aren't required to but maybe are heavily encouraged to?
     
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    :good cheers Gaz
     
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    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    As has been my own understanding... however, I have never seen anything making this official. When I do, I will add it to the original post as a frequently asked question.
     
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    Is there is a difference between running and just staying out of range and defense?

    Can a fighter lose a round for being to negative?
     
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    Not being so bloody wet, having a fight, mate!
    Here's my question.

    Fighter A completely dominates a round, hurts his opponent on several occasions, but DOESNT score a knockdown. 10-8 yeah.

    Fight A completely dominates a round, hurting his opponent on several occasions, AND SCORES a knockdown in the final 10 seconds of the round. Still a 10-8.

    Very unfair in my opinion.

    Thanks tho, good info there
     
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    Thats the problem with only really using 2-3 points of the 10.
     
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    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    You could actually make a case for 10-7 if it's already a 10-8 round and then there is a knockdown. You say "unfair", some will say "subjective."
     
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    In both questions you asked, it depends on what the other boxer did in the round.
     
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    I found this, from the Association of Boxing Commissions:

    http://www.abcboxing.com/documents/abcboxing_regulatory_guidelines.htm
     
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    It only makes sense that the judges rule what the ref says. The ref has the best view of what happens and if it's in any way subjective the judges are going to have to take the refs word for it.
     
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    It's not subjective. Everyone pretty much agreed that Maidana was awarded a 10-8 round against Khan in the 10th, but if he would have put him down in the final 20 seconds, or still would have only been a 10-8.

    I know there is a case that a 10-7 round could be scored, but I'm not sure that has ever been the case
     
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    Juiceboxbiotch O N E T O N P R O J E C T

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    You just said it wasn't subjective and then went on to make my counter argument for me.

    Nobody would have argued if one of the judges had actually scored it 10-7. It would have been fair and the judges were free to do so at their discretion. But the knockdown didn't actually occur in that case, and so its a bad example.
     

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