1. One to watch

    One to watch Well-Known Member

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    Just talking about the upcoming Belfast show made me realise the huge amount of potential coming through in the pro ranks North and South presently.some with genuine world level aspirations and some who will bounce around domestic level but be fun to follow.my roots are from the north so I have an interest in the sport up there,I just wondered what expectations were for some of the following-

    Paddy barnes (weight?)
    Michael Conlan (weight?)
    Jason quigley 11-0 middleweight
    John Joe nevin 8-0 lightweight
    Ryan burnett 15-0 bantamweight
    Anthony cacace 14-0 super feather
    Con sheehan 3-0 heavyweight
    Tommy McCarthy 9-0 cruiserweight
    Jamie conlan 17-0 super fly
    Philip sutcliffe Jnr 11-1 light welter
    Jono Carroll 11-0 super feather
    Gary Sweeney 2-0 cruiserweight

    That's 12 promising prospects there plus the likes of-

    James tennyson,Conrad Cummings,luke keeler,paddy gallagher,Declan geraghty,marco mccullough,alfredo meli,Joe Fitzpatrick and more who are still finding their place in the ranks.

    The only problem is there are no promoters based in ireland who put on shows and a lack of interest in the south.the North has a big boxing history of course and hopefully some will stay based there,but looking at the current names in the pro scene you have frampton,andy Lee,jamie kavanagh and stephen ormond who have all travelled to the states to get opportunites.Quigley,conlan,nevin and sheehan briefly have followed in their footsteps.

    So do we have world champions here? Or any dark horses you rate?
     
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    Know the am irish scene much better than me.would be nice to get some input from them about the talents and from the irish lads what the interest is over there.

    Some of these lads have impressed me a lot.
     
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    Conlan turning pro at super bantamweight and Barnes at flyweight is the plan I'm sure.

    Barnes I think has left it a little too late, he will need to be rushed along at a fair old pace, and he fighting for a world title in 18 months. He has the ability to win a world title for sure, and as a massive fan of Paddy love him to do it but it won't be easy though flyweight has opened up a bit in the last year.

    Conlan obviously the one that appears to be the potential superstar. Young so plenty of time to get to world level, they don't need to rush him ridiculously fast and with signing with top rank have the best matchmakers in the business, you'd have to expect him to get to world level at least.

    If I had to bet my life on which one would win a world title though it would be Burnett, a know a lot people aren't 100% sure about him but I think he's a class act. Really expect him to get a world title within 18 months.
     
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    Barnes at Flyweight, I think he'll win a world title in the not too distant future. Shiming is going to win a world title in a few weeks and I'd imagine that matchup with Barnes happens Naturally

    Conlan will be campaigning at super bantam I think, he has all the talent to go all the way but I think it'll take around 17-20 fights before we start talking about him for a title. Hopefully they don't match him too hard too quick but Top Rank can usually be trusted in this department.

    Up until the De La Rosa he was matched pretty poorly but he won the De La Rosa fight well and is fighting Jorge Melendez next which is another decent test at this stage of his career. It's hard to see him winning a title at middleweight whilst Golovkin is on the scene but he'll be around when GGG is gone and he has enough to compete with the rest of them imo

    John Joe Nevin hasn't impressed me too much as a pro but I know he has a lot more talent than he's showed so far. I think he'll be down at super feather and he has the talent to win a world title but I'm not sure if he will

    Burnett obviously proved me wrong the other day haha but I'm still not seeing him as a special talent or anything, I still think he'll compete at world level but I don't think he hits very hard and I don't think he'll compete with the very best

    Sheehan has a decent amount of talent, I'm not sure I'm buying the "future of the heavyweight division" talk but he is talented

    Without going onto all of them I can guarantee that all of them will be in entertaining fights at various levels, hopefully Warren keeps up with the Irish shows and he can get a few thousand in on Nov 5th because we'll get the matchups like Geraghty-Tennyson and the irish guys out there match up together very well
     
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    Theres two lads from my hometown worth keeping an eye on in Conor Coyle and Tyrone McCullagh.
     
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    Thoughts on cacace and Tommy maccarthy?

    They look to have high ceilings to me.
     
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    Amateur boxing is pretty big over here in terms of participation over here. We won medals at every competition the seniors went to for years up until the recent Olympics. Conlan was done out of one there and we all know the story. For a small nation we are definitely one of the best in the world for producing amateur fighters and now a few of our major stars have turned over.

    Nevin's career has been stop start since he turned pro. Trouble out of the ring has been a major factor with a couple of his cousins breaking his leg. There was even a court order barring him from entering every pub in his home town. He's been back in the ring again recently notching up a couple of wins. He's fuckin gifted and has the talent to go all the way but I just can't see him doing it.

    Quigley is going well out in America. He had some run in the amateurs with winning something like 30 fights in a row that included a European Gold and finished with getting a silver at the world's. I reckon he's definitely going to be a top contender at 160.

    Paddy Barnes can and probably will be a success. He's going to have a massive following in Belfast and probably around the rest of Ireland .He's a character and really popular over here. He's 29 I think but given his amateur experience and his fights in the WSB he should take to the pros like a fish to water. He's said already that he prefers to fight over the longer distance and his style is suited to the pros. He should be definitely fighting for world honours in two years time.

    Michael Conlan can potentially be the best fighter to ever come out of Ireland. He's incredibly talented and driven and signing with Top Rank looks a good move. I'm not sure how they are going to match him as he has huge experience at the top level in the amateurs. Has won Commenwealths, European and World championships including a bronze medal from the London Olympics. Only 24 too. I don't think he'll be fed absolute no hopers early on his career given what he has achieved already but it definitely won't be like Lomachenko was matched.
     
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    Cacace is fuckin massive at the weight. Think he's around 5'10. Could be very good and one to watch out for.

    McCarthy is another lad off the high performance team. Been to world's and european's. Technically he's very good and he can bang a bit but he's always had a lazy streak in him. He handled John Lewis Dickinson fairly easily and that was only his 9th fight. I really hope he does well.
     
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    Ive been really impressed with both.same with burnett.

    That's why I made the thread originally.what with frampton's success and those guys coming into title fight territory,plus michael and jamie Conlan,paddy barnes and so on.things look really healthy.
     
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    Irish professional boxing could potentially come into a golden era mate. It's looking really exciting. Burnett is another one. II'm not really a fan of that style he has with Adam Booth though. When he went on the front foot against Farrag he looked very good. He's in no rush either and is still developing.
     
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    I like him on the inside (no homo)

    Solid body puncher and so strong at bantam.

    I agree that the booth style may make for a longer career but less fun for us fans.
     
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    He actually had it rough did Burnett. Can't remember all the details but he was living in his car for about 6 weeks in the UK. Think it was around the time he left Hatton.
     
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    That's right.

    http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/long-read-ryan-burnett/

    It's a good read.
     
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    The lads who I think are shoe in's to win world titles at some point are Mick Conlan, Quigley and Barnes. I think it's highly likely that Brunett will also win a strap at some point. Sheehan and McCarthy are in tough divisions (well not Sheehan really at the moment, but the future of the heavyweight division is bright) and will be solid contenders who never win a title. John Joe Nevin will be a contender, but he'll never live up to his potential imo. Sutclife is European/fringe contender level. he'll cause a lot of surprises at domestic and European level, but he's too wild and technically flawed to do well at top level. Cacacce can be a contender, im not sure he has a higher ceiling than that yet. Jono Carroll/Gary Sweeney/Fitzpatrick/Geraghty are too early in their development to tell. Geraghty and Carroll can't punch at all though, which is worrying in spite of them both being technially adept. I don't rate Tennyson at all to be honest.

    Ive noticed theres a shit load of amateurs turning pro recently over here, can't keep up with it at all anymore.
     
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    The lack of any sort of big time promoter and TV deal has killed the scene here. I know MGM are what they are but the fact is 7 of the fighters on the top list are on their roster and will get regular fights as a result.

    I always had Phil Suthcliffe as the most likely to replicate Bernard Dunnes success and have the Dublin crowd behind him however his career has been pretty poorly managed thus far. I don't blame him jumping over to MGM his career needs it a win over Jenkins will get things moving again, such a fan friendly style.

    John Joe Nevin has pretty much faded into obscurity in the US I have I am hoping that as he signed up with Cameron Dunkin earlier this year he would become more active but doesn't really look that way.

    A name to note for the future is Aaron Mckenna, only turned 17 in July and has been out and Mexico and the Wild Card all summer sparring. He is signed with Jason Quigleys management company and will sign with either Top Rank or Golden Boy in the coming months.
     
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    I'll look forward to sutcliffe-jenkins,that's a really solid fight,as is mccullough-roberts on the same show.
     
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    Pretty sure Aaron McKenna returned to the amateurs. He was beaten in the final of the U18 national championships a couple of months back. Or was that his last tournament?
     
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    Ray Moylette is turning over aswell. Exciting fighter with a style I always thought would lend itself to the pros.
     
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    I think it was just that he was having visa issues so while he was back here waiting he entered. May as well have in fairness
     
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    A few that haven't been mentioned here yet.

    No particular order and by no means exhaustive

    - Paul Hyland Jr [13(4)-0] - Lightweight - Belfast - Very entertaining, always in wars, looks likely to fight for the BBBoC Celtic title in February
    - Jake Hanney [5(4)-0] - Light Welterweight - Dublin - Talented, good bit of power, had a good fight with the very game Innocent Anyanwu last time out. Turned down a late-notice fight with Jason Easton last weekend.
    - Bernard Roe [4(0)-0] - Light Middleweight - Dublin - Newest member of the Celtic Warrior Gym under Packie Collins. Can do a bit of everything and has decent power despite his record.
    - Tyrone McKenna [11(3)-0-1] - Light Welterweight - Belfast - Good amateur, just moved down to light welter where, at 6'2" he'll be huge (was actually tasked with replicating Luke Campbell in sparring for Coyle & Matthews). Fights Sean Creagh [4(2)-0] from Dublin on the November 5th Belfast card. Real clash of styles, Creagh has came in the white collar route having taken up boxing in his 20s to lose weight - is now ~50kg lighter and has a non-stop engine
    - Eric Donovan [1(0)-0] - Super Featherweight - Kildare - 31 years old but a supremely talented amateur and hoping to be moved fast.
    - TJ Doheny [16(12)-0] - Bantamweight - Laois - Based over in Boston with Murphys Boxing. World-ranked with decent power. Fights back here with all the British fighters. Always easier to sell an English-speaking opponents.
    - Darragh Foley [9(7)-2(0)] - Light Welterweight - Dublin - Based in Sydney. Very raw but big power and good personality.
    - Dennis Hogan [24(7)-1(0)-1] - Light Middleweight - Kildare - Gave Culcay a decent fight last year, claimed he was overcooked for it. Was actually Liam Smith's first choice for this Summer before the Canelo bout came along.
    - Lewis Crocker [0-0] - Welterweight - Belfast - Debuts on the November 5th card. Training with John Breen. Ridiculously powerful and unbelievably highly thought of. Still just 19. Look up the video of him sparring Paddy Gallagher
    - Steven Ward [0-0] - Light Heavyweight - Belfast - Also debuts on the Belfast Boxnation card. Won Commonwealth silver at heavyweight in 2010, being stopped by Simon Vallily. Still just 26, been training with Fielding and Murray recently.
    - Sean Turner [8(6)-0] - Heavyweight - Dublin - AKA 'Big Sexy. Very heavy puncher, throws every shot with bad intentions and was actually a very decent amateur. Getting gradually into better shape, down from ~270lbs to ~240lbs
    - Niall Kennedy [6(3)-0] - Heavyweight - Wexford - Another of Packie Collins's Celtic Warriors. Quite small side for a heavy. Good mover and skills
     
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